Feeding and Nutrition :: Spinach Information Needed

[Hoooneylynn]

iac637, I can defend everyone else, as much as you can defend your husband/boyfriend.

I am done with this topic.

[DavidY]

ok, i'm back for a bit.

iac637 and tertule, this forum has always been a place where we've enjoyed eachother's virtual company. It's been, for the most part, a very positive and friendly place to be, for everyone. Until now, I have not seen this kind of sarcasm and hostility on this form, and I have to tell you, it is not pleasant at all. There are plenty of other forums on the internet where intellectual challenges and debates regularly escalate to name calling and bitter flaming. Personally, I stay away from those places 'cause I have no tolerance for that kind of behavior. I don't like seeing my personal friends getting their feelings hurt. Whether that was your original intention or not, that is what is happening. Please own up to that and then back down. There really is no need for this kind of hostility here. And to be honest, none of it would have happened had Tertule worded his original posts more politely. Therefore, I believe he should swallow his pride and apologize and let it go at that. Don't follow it up with more subtly sarcastic or condescending remarks. Remember, you are the newcomer here. Please show some respect and courtesy. Thank you.

[steve]

I think it's unrealistic to expect "hard core proof", especially since we may not have all the same opinions on how that is defined. However, had some initial reading been done, there are links to other sources of information from this site. Whether or not those sites have scientific proof behind them, thats not for me to judge. If someone wants to dismiss all the information here because a lack of "hard core proof", then that is up to them. Someone can easily go look for answers themselves as opposed to asking for proof. We do not claim to be a definitive or undisputed source of RES information. I always recommend people to conduct their own research and read other sites.

Regardless, I am not upset and I don't think most people are. I have not classified anyone as rude either and I don't think I have expressed those opinions in my earlier comment. Also, I do try to read most of the posts and so do the mods -- thats part of why they are here. Anyway, no hard feelings here. Have a good day everyone

[iac637]

I didn't know that I have ever been rude. I would defend anyone I thought was being attacked, and I was just making a statement about a persons personality.

I am sorry if someone thinks that I take up for Turtle because we are a couple but he will be the first to tell you that I call him out on many things.

I just don't understand how by one comment about a person personality I became a target. I thought that I had always been respectful of everyone on this site and I have asked for everyones help on topic before and I have listened happily.

I am sorry that some people have felt that I was rude.

[megcornell]

No worries

I think there has just been some confusion about expectations of the site and some intellectual bruising... Steve and the moderators put a lot of time into making this site so reputable, not necessarily scientifically sound, but a great source for turtle owners, and I think the position that if there isn't statistically valid hardcore science behind views the views aren't as important just irked people.
I, too understand what it's like to be so analytical... I suppose it just came off as a little abrasive in such a non-analytical forum. I don't think anyone meant any harm, I just think feathers got ruffled. Such is life.

[Hoooneylynn]

Iac, I never targeted you or said that YOU were being rude. But as I and others have made it clear, tertule was out of line. And I already understood that you guys are a couple, and then you state that he wasnt trying to be rude. Maybe so, but I found that statement and the way he presented himself quite offensive and rude, and he still has yet to apologize. I dont care if he does or not. But he still wont admitt what he said was wrong, and as david said, he just seems to keep eggin me on. He is welcome on this forum, just as anyone else is, but he is not welcome to bash this forum because it isnt up to his standards, and then act like everything he said was perfectly okay.

As I said before, If I was looked for info on spinach, and it wasnt on here, I wouldnt start calling the information that they did have rubbish. I would go to a library and research it myself. Ive think I made that clear.

Why am I so upset? Steve and the moderators, and hundreds of people have come together on this site, all with intentions of improving and maintaining the well being of our beloved turts. When some new guy just thinks its okay to come on here and basically say all their hard work is garbage because he wants a scientifically proven answer, and implying that this site or these people arent capable of any critical thinking, then I get mad. Do I get mad at people often? No. But when I put my trust in these people on this site, I have a tendency to defend them. I trust in steve, and all the moderators and many of the members.

Who do you think has helped me and shown me the way with my turt when I was given false information in the first place? THEM.... who can I count on when I need help? THEM.... Who gives me such a secure feeling , knowing that if something goes wrong, I will have help? THEM.

Thats worth more than just a stupid spinach article that I could have researched myself.

But I guess some people just value their ego more.... This isnt a place to show off or let people how much more smarter you are then them...please... anyone who reads this can see that... its just shouting that he is suuuch a better turtle owner because he is capable of critical thinking, and he takes the time to research everything. IF HE ALREADY KNEW THIS SITE DIDNT HAVE THE INFORMATION, WHY WOULD HE ASK? He needed to show off. Im sure he didnt lose any sleep without that spinach article, but he wanted to let us know our information wasnt up to his intellectual standards. Im certainly not an idiot. To me, thats a slap in the face because we do take good care of our turtles, and we are concerned for their well being... we dont need a frickin spinach article to prove that. Just because he didnt say the words, doesnt mean he didnt imply that we have garbage and petty information... "Much to my surprise"

Now I am done.

[SpotsMama]

Please please please end this. We don't need any more of this.

[pumpkinsherbet]

milk isn't fortified with vitamin D3, it's just vitamin D. D3 cannot be synthesised, it is produced by the body with exposure to the proper uv radiation. it's got a few other steps to go through before it's actually created, it goes through a few organs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D3

and oy, too much spinach is bad for anyone.

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i really just read a bit of page one on this, so if i got redundant with anything i do apologise.

BUT i would say the way this thread started out was on the rude side, as well as a few of the subsequent posts. since you're so adamant on delving further into the situation, the better approach would be to ask a little nicer, or even request good keywords to do the research yourself, instead of getting snarky with the people who are answering your question.

**edit** i'm sorry, but i do have to say my piece on this:

3. I never insinuated anyone was stupid, nor did I directly make any negative remarks to anyone about being stupid...I will say that selective reading is rampant in here.

save for the part where you said this (which jessica has already quoted)

I would appreciate if any other posts on the topic are not based on the other rubbish divulged on this site and if you do have something to contribute, have some sources to cite.

that's quite an implication to me. selective reading, whatever. if you were having a discussion with someone then they suddenly started condescending and insinuating that what you had to say was rubbish, would you want to continue the conversation?

iac637 i don't think you're being rude, and i do understand you standing up for your man. but he was out of line.

[megcornell]

Can we block this post and be done with the catfighting? I think that would be best.

[pumpkinsherbet]

sorry.

[DavidY]

Can Steve lock it? or burn it or something? I think that would be best as well.

[DavidY]

Thats ok Pumpkin. I think this thread got us all a little riled.

[Tertule]

Here is a little tid bit of experience that I have learned from being in a relationship that has been passed on from generation to generation without any scientific proof.

When ever a woman says something the man disagrees with, in order to end the debate, the man must say...

Yes Dear.

[marisa]

I'll do the honors.