Feeding and Nutrition :: 2nd day of refusing food - getting worried

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Post Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:35 am   2nd day of refusing food - getting worried

I have a ~5 inch long RES named Franklin. Normally he is a hungry little bugger. Every morning when I wake up, he's already up and frantically splashing and swimming against the side of the tank to get my attention. As soon as he sees the food can, he gets into a frenzy. He instantly gobbles up all pellets placed in his tank. Even less favorable foods like lettuce are attacked immediately, even if he sometimes leaves some for later. He has active periods and lethargic periods where he just sleeps all day, but food always gets his immediate attention no matter what kind of period he's in.

I was away on Sunday which was his off day, and he was asleep when I got back so I just let him be. Monday, feeding day, came, and I woke to find him chilling on his dock - not asleep, just sitting there looking around. That was weird enough, but then I had actual reason to be concerned when I waved the can of food in his face and he was completely un-phased. Nothing I tried got him off his dock (well I didn't try anything mean like shaking the tank or whatever, but no amount of luring or coaxing did anything). When I got near him, he just pulled his head into his shell.

This was only the first day he refused food, and I had to go to work, so I let him be. I came back from work and found him still on his dock, and it looked like all or most of the food pellets had just gotten bloated and sunk to the floor. There was also turtle stool on the floor of the tank, which was another bad sign as it's super rare I even see his stool since he normally immediately recycles it (which is kind of gross, but I accept as normal turtle behavior).

Now very concerned, I did a thorough checkup. Making him very angry, I reached in and picked him up to give him a look-over. His shell didn't seem to have any soft spots or oddities, and I couldn't find any blemishes on his skin. His eyes look normal, and I don't see any discharge or anything around his mouth or other orifices. His breathing seemed normal as well - no wheezing or other troubles breathing. The water temp was at a balmy 77-79 degrees. The water was a little murky, plus there was new stool and pellets littering the bottom, so I decided to give him a cleaning. This made him mad as well, and he frantically moved around the tank (first swimming, then walking when the water level got low enough). This at least restored my confidence that he was able to be active - I didn't observe any oddities in his swimming or walking.

I let him sleep under his dock pretty much all night (not too unusual for Franklin) and decided to try feeding again in the morning. He was on his dock again, just like yesterday. His limbs were all out, his neck craned towards the heating lamp a bit, and even his tail was sticking straight out - so he didn't seem to be afraid or stressed or anything. Seeing me didn't cause him to leave his dock like it normally would at feeding time - no begging or anything. After a few minutes, he slid off the dock and started swimming around, but still no begging. There was more stool on the bottom, and he sniffed it a couple times, but immediately moved on each time. I took out the food can and started shaking, and he followed it around the tank a little, though much much slower than normal, but did not even investigate the pellets when they were placed in the tank.

At the moment he's just getting on and off his dock. He'll go sit there for a few minutes, plop back into the water very briefly, then go climb right back up on the dock. I've listed my results of checking for all the symptoms I know to check, but I've run out of ideas. Does anyone have any idea what could be wrong, or what I should try next?
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Post Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:19 pm   

Two days without eating isn't too bad for a larger turtle like Franklin. I'd give him a few more days and watch him for symptoms. Since he's moving his bowels I don't think he ate something and got impacted, and it certainly doesn't sound like RI is a big possibility. He may just be feeling a little lethargic.
If he doesn't start eating by the end of the week, I'd probably look into making a vet appointment.
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Post Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:57 pm   

He's had a few small yellow marks on his shell for awhile, but they were at the center of the shell where it was highest, so I figured it was just from scraping under the bottom of the dock (which he does when he enters the little cave he's so fond of).

Looking at him today, however, it looks like there's more. I don't know if it's my imagination because I'm worried about him, or if there really is more. I'm going to post a picture and hopefully get opinions on whether its shell rot or some kind of infection or anything else to be worried about.

He was very mad when I took him out of the tank and put him in a box so I could take the picture - but it was the only way I could get a clear shot.

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Click thumbnail for huge version. The pyramiding was from before I got him - his previous owner overfed him I guess. We're trying to work on that.
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Post Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:15 pm   

The spots look like trapped air under scutes that are lifting to be shed.

How long have you had him? I guess if he's relatively new, a few periods of not eating due to stress or other assorted issues isn't too big of a deal. Have you tried bribing him to eat with something a little more appetizing than pellets like shrimp or tuna?
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Post Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:43 pm   

I've had him for almost two years now. When I first got him, he randomly wouldn't eat, but he's been very consistent for the last 6-12 months. This is the first time he's refused food in quite awhile.

I'm giving him some time to get hungry, since I don't know if he eventually eats any of the pellets I put in the tank before I leave for work. I know I come home and a decent amount are at the bottom of the tank, but I'm not sure what happened to the rest. I'll try some more appetizing food soon.
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Post Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:14 pm   

Also try some live prey like minnows, though you might have to hold it by it's tail...
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