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Post Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:07 am   I'm Overfeeding a Juvenile -- Need Advice

I have a young RES that I'm certain I'm overfeeding.

My son and I built an ATBA yesterday and installed it today, which finally let me get some pictures of Toby basking:

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However, when I looked at one of those basking pictures, I realized what I had suspected from looking at him in the water. I'm pretty sure we're overfeeding him.

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I've not measured Toby, but those small rectangular blocks are 0.5 inches and the larger square ones are 1.25. I'm estimating him between 1.5 and 1.75 inches.

Toby is a wild caught turtle. I realize that may be a controversial admission, but I wanted to give full details. The family was in the car one Sunday and my 12 year old son was begging for a pet, a pretty common occurrence. As he was running through possibilities and having my wife say, "no," he said turtle and my wife said sure, he could have one.

That Monday he was begging for me to go to the pet store to get him one and I said we could wait until the weekend.

That Tuesday (July 17), when I got home, there was a tupperware bin next to the kitchen sink with a 6+ inch Eastern Painted Turtle and a baby RES in it. His friend and he had gone to a nearby pond and gotten some turtles. We released the larger turtle and headed to a pet store for an aquarium and supplies. I got bad advice and was pointed towards a 20 gallon kit with a reptile waterfall filter that was wholly inadequate for even a turtle of Toby's size.

After setting it up, some online research led to me here and that I should have gotten a much larger tank. That also led to the purchase of heat lamps and UVB lights.

I'm committed to providing a good home and have been checking Craigslist for larger tanks, as well as dropping by the area pet stores to see what they offer.

I don't have pictures of Toby when we first got him. We initially started with Reptomin baby pellets. We started with 4, based on our guess at what would fill his head. He ate nothing for the first few days, but quickly started begging whenever we came by the tank. Soon after he was eating the Reptomin, we started putting lettuce (romaine and red leaf) in the tank, which he will eat. Within a week or so, we upped it to 5 Reptomin baby pellets.

At some point, we also picked up Omega 1 Juvenile Pellets and have been offering both. We've been feeding a total volume that is about 5 Reptomin baby pellets in size, while also keeping fresh lettuce available at any time.

Here's a picture ten days after we got Toby. He is probably already showing signs of being overfed, but I didn't recognize it. It's quite a bit different from the picture above which is 17 days after this one. That is, the picture above is 27 days after my son caught him and the one below is 10 days after. Again, click for a higher resolution:

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So, my question is how I deal with this? I've been spending a lot of time going over old threads here. Tough love seems to be recommended for older turtles. My plan is to cut back to the equivalent of 3 Reptomin baby pellets for a bit and then after a week or so, go to 4. I'm thinking to always keep lettuce available.

Another thought is cuttlebone. When we first got him, I put some cuttlebone in, which he ignored. However, today a few hours before the regular feeding time, I put in a small piece of cuttlebone, and Toby did eat some. My thought is that it has little nutritional value to make him grow, but will help to fill him up.

I'd appreciate any thoughts or suggestions from others here. I'm already incredibly grateful for this forum and can't express my appreciation of the many posters who have offered help here. I may not have asked that many questions in the first month of having Toby, but I have gained lots of useful information from all of you. Thanks.
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Post Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:51 am   Re: I'm Overfeeding a Juvenile -- Need Advice

"Tough love" is mainly for healthy turtle refusing certain foods, not as a measure to control intake. The growth doesn't look too bad, but I agree that you should cut down on the pellets. It's always better to be a little conservative when feeding pellets. Also sort out his food in a pill box if you think someone might be sneaking him food.
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Post Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:45 am   Re: I'm Overfeeding a Juvenile -- Need Advice

steve wrote:The growth doesn't look too bad, but I agree that you should cut down on the pellets. It's always better to be a little conservative when feeding pellets. Also sort out his food in a pill box if you think someone might be sneaking him food.


That last line is EXACTLY what i was coming to post. 5 pellets a day, is great for a hatchling! Also i do not see anything out of the ordinary, remember he was wild caught, so his shell will not be all pretty and may have some issues.

Very nice basking platform!

quick side note: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE either committ now or make your child comit to caring for the turtle for the rest of its life (which could be 40 years!) If you can not or are not going to make your child comitt, please rehome it immediatly. Its all ready to late to put it back in the pond, as it only takes a couple of weeks for it to become dependant on you. Putting it in a pond in the next year or 2 when its 4, 6 , 8 inches long, will more than likly kill it, also its a crime in about every state to "dump" captive turtles even if you caught it in the wild.
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Post Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:31 am   Re: I'm Overfeeding a Juvenile -- Need Advice

CactusJohn5 wrote:quick side note: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE either committ now or make your child comit to caring for the turtle for the rest of its life (which could be 40 years!) If you can not or are not going to make your child comitt, please rehome it immediatly. Its all ready to late to put it back in the pond, as it only takes a couple of weeks for it to become dependant on you. Putting it in a pond in the next year or 2 when its 4, 6 , 8 inches long, will more than likly kill it, also its a crime in about every state to "dump" captive turtles even if you caught it in the wild.


We'll be keeping it.

My son has already expressed worries about caring for Toby when he goes to college. (My son is 12.)

Even if my son loses interest, I will take care of him. I've already been scouring Craigslist for larger tanks. My biggest concern is whether the floor can support a 90 - 120 gallon tank. But we'll figure stuff out.

We've cut back on the pellets, and he seems fine.

Thanks for the comments on the basking area and thanks for the warning about the commitment involved in a turtle

This forum is great.
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Post Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:14 pm   Re: I'm Overfeeding a Juvenile -- Need Advice

ljapa wrote:My son has already expressed worries about caring for Toby when he goes to college. (My son is 12.)


That's pretty insightful! Once a good setup is put together, it will require very little maintenance. It's great that he's involved now, it's never too early to get them started :)

As for the floor support... it shouldn't be an issue for most places. I keep a 100 gallon and a 125 gallon next to each other. It's beside a load bearing wall and goes against the floor joists.
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Post Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:57 pm   Re: I'm Overfeeding a Juvenile -- Need Advice

steve wrote:As for the floor support... it shouldn't be an issue for most places. I keep a 100 gallon and a 125 gallon next to each other. It's beside a load bearing wall and goes against the floor joists.


That's my concern.

I have no internal walls in my basement. The house was built in '69. It's that typical 70's two story with a garage and family room butted off the side. I'm in NW Indiana, near Chicago. Winters can be cold. The house is poorly insulated, besides, I don't have long enough outside wall space across joists without crossing windows.

I do have internal walls, near the center of the house that cross joists, but nothing in the basement underneath.

I know I have some time to figure it out, but would appreciate any insight.
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Post Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:09 pm   Re: I'm Overfeeding a Juvenile -- Need Advice

What's your basement floor compromised of?
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Post Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:00 pm   Re: I'm Overfeeding a Juvenile -- Need Advice

Basement is uneven cement. Tends to get water backflow during heavy rains because the drip tile is tied into the sewer system.

We never spend time down there, so it is far from ideal.

I've wondered about bracing the basement floor. There's a good spot for a large aquarium along the central interior wall in the living room. I'm thinking I have time before it comes to that.

When it gets closer, I may start a more appropriately titled thread and see what type of input others have.
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