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Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:32 pm   Possible gravid female

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So we have had our two RES for a couple weeks now and I thought they were getting all settled in. They both appear to be female and one is about 4 1/2" (blueberry) and the other 6" (strawberry) in shell length. They have been using their basking area religiously and the water temp stays about 76-78. The basking area is probably still on the cooler side of what is recommended, but we are working on that. I do know almost certainly that it is not too hot. Anyway, all seems to be going well for the most part. The last few days I have noticed a behavior change in strawberry though. She is spooked a lot easier and will dart in the water for nearly nothing. Blueberry stays in the basking area when this happens and just looks around. They are both eating well. Strawberry is also not attempting to come out of the water to bask as much. When I sit down by the tank to observe them Strawberry will usually go into the water even if it is calmly. I am also noticing that while she is in the water she is swimming around almost frantically and trying to claw and swim right through the glass. For a couple of days this seemed a little subtle and it took me a few days to notice that her behavior has changed quite a bit really. Now, I have read up a bit on them and rechecked what I thought were signs that a female is trying to nest and it appears that this is may very well be the issue with strawberry. I did attempt to feel for eggs gently and I think that I felt at least one in there, but I am uncertain and don't want to just keep handling her without a good cause. My main concern is that I do not have an area for her to nest in if she does have a clutch of eggs in there and was looking for some tips. I know that the eggs aren't fertilized, but I had also read that it is important for them to lay the eggs regardless hence my concern. Any and all tips would be appreciated and thanks in advance for the advice.

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:50 pm   Re: Possible gravid female

I don't have any experience with this.. but I have read other posts on the subject. I think they can be reabsorbed but if not,, they will lay them in the water.. The part I don't know about, is if there is anything you need to do, to help this process. But that does sound suspiciously like Gravid behavior with the being frantic part..
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:59 pm   Re: Possible gravid female

well most stuff I am reading now says they need nesting box.. guess we will have to wait for someone who has more experience with it.. But This video may be of some help to you, at least finding out if she has eggs or not..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY2pRyQgn9o
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:20 pm   Re: Possible gravid female

When does the frantic swimming, is anyone around? Does food calm her down?
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:55 am   Re: Possible gravid female

Sometimes, you just end up with a naturally skittish turtle. This may be its "true personality" coming out after having settled in for a bit. Also, can you post any pictures so we can help confirm gender?
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:44 am   Re: Possible gravid female

I can't say whether food truly calms her down or not because she has always begged and will eat almost as much as you can feed her. She is also the one that I have posted about that was a little over fed. I don't have pictures yet that would positively confirm gender, but I can post some as soon as I get them. I watched a video concerning determining sex on youtube made by the same guy that posted about feeling for eggs that steve has shared in another thread. The youtube name was DiamondbackTerrapins and according to that video I am 100% certain that she is female. I don't mind posting pics of her tail and such to confirm that though. Like I said before I did attempt to feel for eggs, but I can't be sure that I felt any because I don't know exactly what they feel like and she also wouldn't stop kicking while I was feeling. The skittish behavior may in fact be natural it's just the change in behavior that had me a little concerned. I was mainly concerned as to whether I needed to find something that she can try to dig and nest in to lay eggs if that is in fact the problem. I had read that they will sometimes hold the eggs if they can't nest in a natural environment. Again, this is all just assumption on my part, but if I can produce some sort of nesting environment for her to attempt to nest in I am willing to give it a try. I will post pics of her head, tail, and claws as soon as I take them this morning. Thanks,

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Post Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:06 am   Re: Possible gravid female

If she's not gravid, then you wouldn't have felt anything. Regarding my food comment, when they are gravid and want to nest, they will aggressively want to get out of the tank. Some people mistake that as begging for food and the turtle will probably ignore any you drop in.
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:14 pm   Re: Possible gravid female

I think I felt something, but she was kicking hard so I can't be sure. I will watch closely at her behavior when I feed them later and see how she reacts. I do know that she doesn't seem to be eating as much as usual. I will post pics as soon as I take some. Thanks again.
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:03 pm   Re: Possible gravid female

I also read that this period can last several weeks.. Possibly she is at the beginning of it and you can't feel the eggs yet maybe??
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:51 pm   Re: Possible gravid female

It's very possible I suppose. My daughter is in a mood today so I haven't had a chance to take pictures and feed them yet.
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:58 pm   Re: Possible gravid female

Here are pics that show the head, claws and tail.

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I felt again for eggs and believe that I felt something, but I still can't be for sure. She doesn't pay much attention when I put food in the tank, but she does eat later. She used to devour food as I put it in there and now she waits. She still won't bask much and her tank mate still does nearly all day long. Her shedding has stopped progressing as fast because her shell doesn't dry out enough. That is the part that has me concerned as well as her laying her eggs if she does have them.
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:15 pm   Re: Possible gravid female

If you're feeling something - anything, then I would think she is gravid. She's looking very good though.
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Post Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:21 am   Re: Possible gravid female

I do think I'm feeling something, but I don't know how far I'm supposed to poke around in there. Just touching the skin doesn't really feel abnormal, but if I "poke around" a little then I do feel something. Keep in mind that I am trying to be gentle and not just jab my finger in there. Her shell looks better in the pic because it's still wet. When it dries out you can see that she still has a lot of retained scutes to shed. Supposing that she is gravid is there anything that you can suggest to help her to lay the eggs on her own so that she doesn't retain them ? I would think that anything I do to help her lay them on her own isn't going to hurt if she weren't gravid anyways. Thanks again for the help.
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Post Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:49 pm   Re: Possible gravid female

You don't need to poke, just gently push your finger inward. If you feel something then it's eggs.

As for helping her nest, outdoor is the best way but obviously not in these temperatures. You can try an indoor nest but those rarely seem to work and most of the time we just hope they can expel them into the water.
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Post Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:59 pm   Re: Possible gravid female

I have read that some people just let them walk around the house.. Would this hurt? Maybe the act of walking around will help the eggs move down and out.. Even if she does eventually have them in the tank.. I am wondering if the act of walking on land will help her out..
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